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  • Why does Iran want to destroy Israel

    To understand situation in Israel now, one has to understand the role of Iran. Most people know that Iran is the center of all the terrorist activities directed at Israel by its proxies such as Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. Some of the terrorist actions originating from the West Bank do not have a direct linkage to the Iranians.

    Why does Iran, a country located more than a thousand miles from Israel, and 80 times larger, hate it so much and want to destroy it? Do they care about the Palestinians, who are Sunni Arabs, while Iran is Shiite (think Catholic and Protestant but much more extreme)?

    We have to go back to before 1979 and the Iranian Revolution. At that time, about 100,000 Jews lived in Iran, one of the oldest Jewish communities in the world. Today, there are less than 10,000. Before the revolution, they were very successful and played a major role in Iran. Most moved to the United States, particularly LA, where they were highly successful.

    Iran had been a big supporter of Israel when it was formed. It was the second Muslim country to recognize the state of Israel. The first state was Turkey.

    Israel and Iran had a strategic relationship, including cooperation in military activities. Israel provided security services for Iran’s ruler, the Shaw.

    Before the revolution in 1979, I lived in Israel and visited Iran several times for business. I loved Tehran. Everything changed with the revolution. There is so much history here, but too much for me to relate. The relationship between the USA and Iran became very combative. The new ultra-religious government blamed the USA for many things that happened in the past. In Nov 1979, militant Iranian students took over the American Embassy and held 55 Americans Hostages for 444 days. Jim Carter was president, and this was a critical factor in his losing his second term.

    The Iranian leaders show the USA as the Great Satan and Israel as the Little Satan. Iran had many issues with its neighbor, Iraq. This resulted in a war that lasted between 1980 and 1988. This conflict and continuing problems with Iraq served to keep Iran in check. All this was changed by one of the greatest blunders made in modern times—the attack on Iraq by the USA in March of 2003. Removing Iran’s strategic enemy created the mess we now have. We can thank George Bush for that. We can also thank Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

    In the late 80s, Iran started to support Palestinian resistance to Israel, including Hamas, which is a Sunni group. I suppose that the Iranian government, led by religious zealots, could not stand the idea that Jews would live anywhere in the Middle East, but mostly, they saw Israel as the ally of the USA. Hezbollah started in 1982 in response to Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. They are a Shiite group.

    We can only imagine what would have happened if Iran had ended up with a government more like Turkey. The Iranians are a charming people. With a different government, the country would have prospered. The country was blessed with an abundance of oil.

    Iran is also in a cold war with Saudi Arabia, which is also seen as a US ally.

    I believe there will be no peace in the Middle East until the current Iranian government is overthrown.

    The government under Netanyahu has focused on Iran as an existential threat to Israel. In that, he is correct. By the way, I think he is a horrible person. He has sought to get the USA to take action that would lead to a regime change in Iran, but the US has not been willing to go that far. However, I think it will end up there. It should take action now before Iran has atomic weapons.

    Please consider the impact the Iranians have had on the Palestinians. How has that worked out? And how has the hatred of Israel worked out for the Iranians? There are only losers in this conflict.

  • If you don’t like the Jewish settlements in the West Bank, blame Jesus!

    Those that are regular readers of this blog, know that I think and write often about the Israeli/Palestine conflict.  I thought I had a deep knowledge of this subject and was really surprised when I learned about the importance of the Christian Zionist movement.

    About seventy million evangelist born-again Christians in the United States believe that the gathering of the Jews in their biblical homeland is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Christ.   The original homeland includes Samaria and Judah which is inconvenient since this is where the West Bank/Palestine, is located.  About 40% of all tourists to Israel or, the Holly Land as  these particular tourists call it, are born again Christians.  They spend a few weeks traveling around Israel, the West Bank, Jordan, and visiting biblical sites.  They never visit Tel Aviv where I live part of the year.  If they did, they would be shocked to see what has become of the “People of the Book” in one of the hottest cities in the world (think Miami Beach with smart people.)  It’s full of great restaurants that never close, sexy soldiers in bikinis at the beach, and they have their own  as well as gay pride parades. 

    The End of Days,  Armageddon and the Rapture

    This part of the post is a bit difficult to write.  I am trying to respect the religious views of all people and frankly, all religions including mine are full of what I think is fantastical thinking.  However, I do have to list some key concepts because they actually affect the political situation in Israel and Palestine. So the basic concept of Armageddon is that armies in the region, led by some really bad dudes (think ISIS), attack the Israeli’s in the North of Israel at a place called Megiddo.  I have been there to Meggido, it is a beautiful area  which was important thousands of years ago because of its location. Not much is happening there now.  It is hard to imagine that this is where the “End of Days” will begin.  Armageddon is a Greek word derived from the Hebrew “Har Megiddo” or the Mountains of Megiddo.  They believe the armies are led by the antichrist who attack the Jews who are almost wiped out by these evil forces.   Jesus has to come back to earth to defeat  them and save his people, the Christians.

    Israel Jesus Map

    Evidently, those that are Born Again get to go to heaven, and those that are not are sent to hell.   This is called the Rapture.  Jews are given a special opportunity: they can finally accept Jesus as the true son of God and the Messiah and be reborn, or go to hell with the rest of their friends.  About a third of the Jews admit they have had it wrong for the last 2,000 years and fly up to heaven.  Now there are no Jews left which has been the goal of some other folks in the past.

    Influence on Israeli Politics

    If I ask you what the most powerful lobby group is in the USA supporting Israel, you would probably say APAC. This is what I would have said until last Sunday when I was watching an episode of Vice on HBO. It turns out that the largest support for Israel comes from the Christian Right.  Not only do they support Israel per se, but they are against an independent Palestinian State.   

    Netanyahu understands this very well.  He knows that much of this support could vanish if there was a political settlement with the Palestinians which created an actual non-Jewish State in the ancient homeland of the Jews.  While the Jewish Lobby, APAC, does not make direct contributions to individual members of Congress, the Christian Right does.

    The Settlers and the Christians

    The Settler movement also understands the motivations of the Christian Right very well.  Not only do they benefit from the political support of these American Christians, but they also get direct economic support from the many tourists that visit them.  They even provide free labor to help construct them.  By the way, much of the support that the Christians provide to Israel is tax deductible.

    Effect on the Two State Solution?

    The situation is very complicated between the Israelis and Palestinians. The Settlements are just one of many issues. It is a very important one and the one that draws a lot of negative attention to Israel.  The Right of Return for Palestinian refugees, the status of Jerusalem, and Israeli security are others. I am very doubtful that there will ever be a Palestinian state. The Christian Right is not the only force supporting the Settlements, but it is a very important force and one that is generally, poorly understood. 

    Now that I have learned about this, I will try to factor this into my future posts on the topic of Israel and Palestine.

    Jesus and the Settlements

    Frankly, I don’t know much about the teachings of Jesus but I am pretty sure he can not really be blamed for the problems between the Israeli’s and the Palestinians.  That honor belongs to the British. 

  • There would be no Israel if it were not for European anti-semitism and British Self Interest

    There would be no Israel if it were not for European anti-semitism and British Self Interest

    This is a very lengthy post but please make the effort to read it all the way through.  It took a lot of effort to understand the recent history of the area we now call Israel and Palestine and then to figure out how I personally felt about what I learned.  I have tried my best to get the facts correct but I have likely made some errors with numbers and dates.  Feel free to help me correct these mistakes.

    Here are a couple of key points to keep in mind while reading this blog post.

    • There would be no Israel if it was not for European Antisemitism.  The Jews would have preferred to stay in Europe rather than move to the middle east.
    • The British facilitated the development of a Jewish State for reasons that were anything by altruistic.
    • It is doubtful that there would be any discussion of an independent Palestinian State if Israel had not been created.

    The terms Israel and Palestine refer to different geographies at different times. I am afraid it is pretty confusing. I am using the following terms:

                   Israel                      – the current state of Israel
                  Palestine                  – the current land that is expected to become a Palestinian State
                  Jordan                    – the current State of Jordan
                  Greater Palestine   – the combined area of Israel and Palestine
                  British Mandate     – the combined area of Israel, Palestine and Jordan

    ancent Kingdom of IsraelThe Jewish Nation

    The first mention of Israel goes back about 3,300 years. The first King of Israel/Judah was Saul.  His son David, made Jerusalem his capital. The last time that the Jews had an independent country was around the year 63, when the Romans made the kingdom of Judea a Roman Protectorate. The Romans destroyed the Temple in 70. The Jewish people rebelled against the Romans at various times until 132 when they were given the final boot. Jerusalem was turned into a Pagan City and the country was renamed Syria Palaestina. Prior to the Romans, Israel was ruled at various times by the  Babylonians, Persians and Greeks. After the romans, it was ruled by Byzantines, Crusaders, the Islamic Empire, the Ottoman Empire and finally the British. A small number of Jews remained through all of these times. There was never an independent Palestinian state.

    Many of you may will think that all the Jews were living in Israel/Palestine when the Romans forced them out in the 2nd century but that was not really the case. Jews had been spread out all over the middle east more than a thousand years before that. And Jews had began to find their way into Europe even before the Roman conquest. However, all Jews thought of Jerusalem as the center of their homeland and faced Jerusalem when they prayed. The Diaspora is the term generally used to describe the Jews living outside of Israel.

    The Palestinian Nation

    In reviewing the history myself, I would say that the concept of a Palestinian Nation goes back to the 1920s. Many Israelis point to this as a way of dismissing the claims of the Palestinian. I find this personally disingenuous. Yes, the Jews had a state two thousand years earlier and the Palestinians never had a state, but I don’t see what that has to do the right of Palestinians to have a state now. The people who are now called Palestinians have been living in Palestine long enough to deserve a national identity.

    Speaking of Genetics

    Recent genetic testing demonstrates that most of the Ashkenazi Jews were largely descendents of Jewish men who in many cases had offspring with local European women. This is not the case with the Sephardic Jews. Some therefore argue that today’s Israeli’s are not really the descendents of the Jews that originally lived in Israel. They point out that many Israeli’s have blond hair and light skin, although you can also see Arabs with blonde hair and light skin. In any case, this ignores that over half of the Israeli population is Sephardic and that at least 50% of the genes of the rest came from the middle east. Clearly the Jews have as much a genetic claim to the land the comprises Greater Palestine as the Palestinians.

    There is a lot of dispute about when the term Palestine began to be used to describe the people currently referred to as Palestinians. But recent genetic analysis would conclude that over 80% of the people referred to as Palestinians are descendents from Jews, Christians and other indigenous people in the area. The majority of Palestinians and Jews share the same Haplogroup. Like it or not, Jews and Palestinians are really cousins, if not brothers.

    In other words, some Palestinians claim that the Jews that live in Israel are not really descendents of the Jews that lived in Israel over 2,000 years ago.  Some Jews claim that the Palestinians are nor really from the area but come later and even came in response to economic development by the Jews.  This is also not the case.

    Is Jordan really Palestine?

    Jordan itself was only recently created in 1920 when Jordan, Palestine and Israel were divided by the British Mandate for purely political reasons. Some Israeli’s say that the Palestinians already have a state called Jordan, and while I agree that Jordan is largely a Palestinian state, for it to be The Palestinian State, it would have to include the West Bank. Please note that there are also about two million Arabs living in Israel proper. Most Israeli Arabs consider themselves Palestinians but that does not mean that they want to live in a Palestinian State. In fact, there are cities like Umm al-Fahm that are  located right on the Israeli side of the border that could easily be made part of the State of Palestine. However,  there are clear indications that those living in Umm al-Fahm would prefer to be Citizens of Israel because of the economic and possible social benefits it provides.

    Jordan occupied what is now Palestine as a result of the war of 1948.  They made the West Bank part of Jordan, and granted all the Palestinians living there Jordanian Citizenship.   This actually doubled the Jordanian population. It would have been correct at that time to say there was a Palestinian Nation. It was just called Jordan. But starting in 2004, they began to revoke citizenship for many Palestinians living in Jordan proper in response to the attempts to overthrow the Jordanian government made by the PLO.

    I believe but have not verified that, Israel offered the West Bank back to Jordan at the end of the six-day war in 1967 in return for a peace treaty with Israel.  But Jordan would not willing to enter into such an agreement.  If they had, we would certainly have a Palestinian state now on both sides of the Jordan and it might have ended up being called Palestine or Palestine-Jordan.

    Even if Israel was never established, I am sure that there would not have been a Palestinian State west of the Jordan. Syria, Jordan and Egypt would have just carved up Greater Palestine. After these countries failed to defeat Israel in the 1948 war of Independence this is what they did with the rest and no attempt was made to establish a Palestinian State until Jordan made peace with Israel in 1994. Jordan gave up its claims on the West Bank as part that agreement. It is not clear that Israel wanted that to happen but, in 1971, Jordan forced out Arafat and the PLO after what amounted to a civil war.  Jordan no longer wanted to have to deal with additional Palestinians.  If in ironic to me that if there is a single person responsible for not having a Palestinian state now, it is Arafat.

    Palestinian Diaspora

    Palestinians have their own Diaspora. Of the more than nine million Palestinians, about half live outside of the West Bank and Gaza. They are mostly living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.  A large number of these Palestinians live in what is called “refugee camps” (but don’t think tents think gated slum communities.) Unfortunately, these people have not been assimilated by their host countries in most cases – for instance they have not been granted citizenship. Jordan is the exception. The approximate hundred thousand Palestinians living in the USA seem to have integrated well into American society and many have become very successful.

    No matter what one might think of Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, they are treated a lot better by Israel than at the hands of their brother Arabs in Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. The large number of Palestinians that claim that their families lived at one time in what is now Israel is at the heart of one of the most difficult issues, “the right of return,” which I will go into in a future blog post.

    The European Jewish Diaspora, Anti-Semitism and the Holocaust 

    One thing is clear, the Jews that ended up in Europe had a difficult time to say the least. They were subject to awful treatment from Spain to Russia. Frankly, I am amazed that the Jewish people continued to exist throughout this period in Europe. Their population was very small at one point and represented less than 5% of the total Jewish population. I can’t think of a single example of a people who did not have their own homeland for 2,000 years and yet, continued to exist and practiced their region and customs.

    By 1900, the majority of Jews were living in Europe. They totaled a bit more than nine million and most of these were living in Eastern Europe. The Jews of Eastern Europe were generally poor and lived in small villages, as they were not allowed to live in actual cities. These villages were frequently attacked and the term Pogroms is used to describe these events. All my family came from such places.  My great-grandmother came from the village, Piriluki, in the Ukraine. She described such attacks to me when I was a child. But anti-Semitism existed throughout Europe, including countries like England and France and where it, frankly, it still exists.

    Jewish leaders decided that Europe would never be a safe place for Jews and began thinking about creating a Jewish Homeland. The holocaust proved them right. This was the beginning of what is called the Zionist Movement. The natural place for a Jewish Homeland was Palestine which include the lands of the ancient Jewish Kingdoms. The holy cities of Jerusalem, Safed,  Tiberias, and Hebron were also located there.  While the Jews had been expelled by the Romans, there were still Jews living in the “Holy Land” on a continual basis.

    In addition, the territories were under control of the Turks who had a hand’s off attitude as long as they could collect taxes. The area now known as Israel and Palestine had a relatively small population. It was anything but the Land of Milk and Honey, composed of mostly desert in the south and swamps in the north. The Jews that came to Palestine, came because they felt they had no other choice. Never-the-less, I am sure they could never imagine the Holocaust that awaited those that stayed behind.

    I am pretty sure that if it was not for Anti-Semitism in Europe that Jews there would never have moved back to the Middle East.  They would have eventually integrated in to European Society just as most Jews in the USA have integrated into American Society.   Instead, we get the Holocaust which resulted in the systematic killing of over two-thirds of the European Jews which represented 40% of the world’s Jewish population.  There  still less Jews in the world now then they were in 1940.  The Jewish population is less than 0.2% of the world population (unless you are counting Nobel Prizes).

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    1920-boundaryconventionmapThe Ottoman Empire (1453-1922) and the British Mandate (1922-1947)

    What became the British Mandate, the land that is now Israel, Palestine and Jordan, was conquered by many different countries over more than a 3,000 year period. As mentioned, there was not an independent state for more than 2,000 years. The last great power to occupy and control the area was Turkey. They held it for more than 400 years until Britain took that role at the end of World War I, in 1918.

    It may be a bit hard to imagine that Turkey was once a world superpower. The Ottoman Empire controlled much of Europe from Budapest down to the Middle East and up to Iran and North Africa. This included Syria (which included Lebanon), and Palestine (the current Israel, Palestine, Jordan and Iraq). There were no actual countries in this area. It was all one big Turkey.

    During this time,  the Jews, Muslim Arabs and Christian Arabs living in the region thought of themselves as Palestinian Jews, Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims. Muslim Arabs made up the bulk of the population. But the total population of all people living in this very large area was under a million.

    The Turks made the fatal mistake of siding with the Germans in World War I (1914-1918). The French and English realized that beating the Turks meant that they could take over the Turkish position in North Africa and the Middle East. In 1922, they got a Mandate from the League of Nations to officially rule this area with the objective of eventually establishing independent states. Of course, what they really wanted to do was colonize them.

    Balfour_portrait_and_declarationThe Balfour Declaration

    It was against the backdrop of European Anti-Semitism that prominent British Jews, in particular Barron Rothschild and Chaim Weizmann  (a British scientist), approached Lord Balfour with the idea of forming a Jewish Homeland – meaning an independent Jewish State. They even explored the idea of establishing it in what is now Uganda but quickly settled on the ancient homeland of Israel. In 1917, Balfour issued a declaration proclaiming support by Britain for the formation of Jewish Homeland. It stated that the civil and religious rights for the non Jews in the homeland would have to be respected. The territories the British discussed were Greater Palestine (all the land west of the Jordan River), which included what is today, Israel, Palestine, some parts of Lebanon, and the Golan Heights. France was not happy with this split and took a bit more of Palestine for themselves and added that to Greater Syria.

    How anyone thought that the small number of Jews living in the area at that time (less than 50,000) would be able to rule 10 times as many arabs, is anyone’s guess, but the British were really not thinking of a democratic country with a freely elected government.

    There appears to be a few rather bizarre reasons that the British supported the concept of a Jewish Homeland. First off, they were in a really bad financial situation. They thought they could exchange their support for a Jewish Homeland for financial support from the Rothschild family and other Jewish bankers. They also wanted support from the USA, and two of the key advisors to President Wilson were Jews (Louis Brandeis and Felix Frankfurter.) They also wanted the support  of the Russians. They mistakenly believed that because one of the leaders of the Russian Communist Movement, Leon Trotsky was a Jew, helping the Jews get a Homeland would win their support. At that time, the British did not even control the land in question which was still under the Turks.

    1922-mandate_for_palestine

    The British and French Carve up the Middle East

    If you really want to make a mess with established national borders, just invite the British in, although one has to admit the French were pretty good at screwing things up as well.

    In order to get support from the Arabs in their war against the Ottoman Empire, the British promised Hussein bin Ali (the Emir of Mecca) that they would set up a Pan-Arab state from the top of Syria to the bottom of Saudi Arabia that he would lead. This was around the same time they were promising Rothschild and Weizmann a Jewish Homeland that would contain all of what is now Israel, Palestine and Jordan. Get the picture?

    Later there was a civil war in Arabia, and the Hashemite and Hussein bin Ali were kicked out. Arabia was taken over by the Saudi family and became Saudi Arabia. To placate the Hussein family, Palestine was divided by the British into Palestine, west of the Jordan River, and Transjordan to its east. Abdullah, son of Hussein bin Ali, was made King of the newly created country of Transjordan.  Another son, Faisal, was made king of Iraq (giving the Sunni’s power over what was largely a Shiite Muslim country but that didn’t bother the British.)  There were only about 200,000 people living in Transjordan at that time, and they were mostly nomadic Bedouins.  Of course no one knew yet that Saudi Arabia had oil and Jordan had none or I suspect, the Hussein family might have fought harder to keep Arabia.

    Now that Turkish Palestine was cut in two, we are left with what I call Greater Palestine, the land west of the Jordan river. This was supposed to become the Jewish Homeland. Giving up the area east of the Jordan was probably not so much of an issue for the Jews since most of the areas they were concerned about we still contained in the land that the British told them would become their country.  Obviously, the Palestinians on both sides of the Jordan were not too happy to since they had also been told that the land on both sides would become part of a Palestinian Nation. Yes, the British told each side a different story.

    There was a census taken in 1923 that showed that the area west of Jordan (today’s Israel and Palestine) had 600,000 Muslims, 75,000 Jews, 75,000 Christians and about 10,000 others but there were millions of Jews that were expect to immigrate to Greater Palestine from Europe.  There was little concentration in cities. It was a vast unpopulated area.

    mandate-map-1British Rule (1918-1947)

    I am going to skip ahead to the Partition of Palestine that came about in 1947 but I want to point out a few things that happened during that time.

    There was a major revolt by the Arabs in Greater Palestine in 1936 against Jewish immigration and to demonstrate their desire for independence from the British. The British brutally suppressed the revolt and his created the seeds for Arab resistance that played an important role later in the war against the Jews. The Jews had their own issues with the British. The only thing the Arabs and Jews could agree to was that they hated the British. These feelings were reciprocated by the British.

    After the Arab revolt, the Peel Commission was appointed to understand what should be done. It was then that the idea of partitioning Palestine into a Jewish State and an Arab state was born. The idea was that both the Jewish and Arab populations would be transferred so that the Jewish State would only contain Jews and the Arab state would only contain Arabs.  While some Jewish leaders agreed, the Arab leaders did not agree. The British were afraid that the Arabs would throw their weight behind the Germans who were already attacking the British positions in North Africa. Never the less, the Arabs were sympathetic to the Nazis because they applauded their vicious treatment of the Jews.  The link between the Palestinian leadership with the Nazi’s is well established.

    To reduce the tensions with the Arabs, the British put a quota on immigration by Jews into Palestine. Given the events that took place before, during and after the WWII, especially the Holocaust, Jews were desperate to reach Palestine. Remember that the war with Germany ended in May of 1945. The Jews that were in the camps or in some cases in hiding, ended up in what was called Displaced Person Camps. They stayed for as much as three years.  The British would not let the Jews immigrate to Israel and only 50,000 or so managed to do that between the end of the war and the Independence of the State.

    The british who had been sympathetic with the idea of a Jewish State, turned against the Jews. The Jews formed a resistance movement and began to fight with the British as well as the Palestinians Arabs.

    The British were being attacked continuously by both the Arabs and Jews for their policies. They had enough and wanted to get out. So they turned the whole mess over to the newly formed United Nations who was now given responsibility to figure out how to handle this mess.

    mandate_for_palestine_paul_new_clip_image003Two People One Land

    The UN decided on partitioning Palestine. I don’t know what the other options were. The map they drew up made little sense but even so the Jews accepted the partition but the Arabs did not. The state of Israel was declared an independent country on May 14, 1948. War broke out. Israel’s Arab neighbors attacked.  Brutalities ensued on both sides.  In early 1949, an armistice was signed. Instead of a Palestinian Nation, Jordan grabbed the West Bank and Egypt grabbed Gaza.  Things would remain pretty much like that until 1967 when the Six Day war resulted in Israel capturing the West Bank and Gaza. During the confrontations, more than 500,000 jews moved to Israel. People that had survived the Concentration Camps and then the Displaced Person Camps literally got off a boat in Tel Aviv and had a rifle put in their hands and were sent to the front lines to fight the Arabs.

    The Middle Eastern and North African Jewish Diaspora

    Until recent times, most Jews actually lived throughout the Middle East and North Africa although by the time of the formation of Israel, this was no longer true. The largest populations of Jews were located in countries that are now known as Iraq and Iran, as well as places like Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco. More than 700,000 Jews were forced out of countries where they had lived for thousands of years as a result of the establishment of the State of Israel. So, while modern Israel was conceived as a homeland for European Jews, it now found half of its citizens came from Arab countries. Later, more than a million Jews from the former Soviet Union would emigrate to Israel. More than 50% of the Jews living in Israel can still trace their family heritage to Muslim countries.

    In my opinion, the Muslim countries that force out their Jewish populations lost a great deal in the transaction. The last country to do that was Iran in 1979 with the Iranian Islamic Revolution.  Most of the 80,000 Jews living in that country for over 2,500 years were expelled.  About half ended up in the USA and about 35% in Israel with the rest going to Europe.  They make up more than 25% of the population of Beverly Hills and are very successful.

    In summary

    • The last independent state in what is now Israel/ Palestine/Jordan was a Jewish state but that was almost two thousand years ago.
    • The Palestinians never had their own state but they clearly lived in Israel/Palestine/Jordan long enough to deserve one.
    • The Turks ruled the Area for more than 400 years which ended in 1918.
    • Jews in Europe wanted a Jewish Homeland because of Antisemitism.
    • The British agreed to help the Jews get a Homeland in order to get Jewish support both financially and politically.
    • The British took control of Israel/Palestine/Jordan at the end of WWI from the Turks.
    • The British wanted the support of the Arabs as well so the lied to both the Jews and Arabs and promised them the same land.
    • Jews and Arabs did not want to share a country with each other and still don’t.
    • The Jews and Arabs not only fought with each other but also with the British.
    • The British had enough and turned over the whole mess to the newly formed UN in 1947
    • The UN partition Palestine into two countries, one for the Jews and one for the Arabs
    • Neither side was happy with this but the Jews accepted it and the Palestinians and other Arabs did not. The borders drawn up were not stable in any case.
    • War broke out and the Jews were able to take about 60% of the land that had been promised to the Palestinians by the time a truce was signed. Jordan took the West Bank with Egypt taking Gaza. No Palestinian State was formed and there was no further discussion about doing that.
    • About 700,000 Jews living in Arab nations were forced out even though they have been living in some of those countries for thousands of years. About an equal number of Arabs left what  is now the state of Israel and in a sense were replaced with the displaced Jews from the Arab lands.
    • Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza as a result of the 1967 war.
    • Jordan threw out the PLO in 1970.
    • Israel and Jordan signed a peace agreement in 1994.  As part of that, Jordan gave up their claim to the West Bank and the idea of an independent Palestinian state reemerged.

    That is all for now. The next post on this topic will deal with the Occupation of Palestine (the West Bank and Gaza). It may be a while in coming as I am continuing to do my research, which include visits to Palestine.

  • Here is my solution for the Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

    I am so tried of the same circle.  Below you will find my views on how to get out to this mess.  The bottom line is Palestine should focus on its future especially it’s economic future.  Israel is in the best position to help Palestine.  Israel want peace but it wants security even more.  So there will never be an agreement unless Israel feels secure.  But I think Israel would be willing to pay a big price for this and it has the ability to pay this price.

    Let me know what you think?

    Palestine must reconnize Israel as a Jewish State.

    • There are more than 50 Muslim States.  So what is the issue with having one tiny Jewish State
    • Palestine can not include Gaza until Gaza is integrated with the West Bank Palestine which be definition means that Israel is recognized by Gaza as well.

    Palestine will except serious changes in the 1967 border that not only recognize facts on the ground but improve Israel”s security and improve commerece in Palestine

    Palestine may bring back all Palestinian refugees (these are people of Palestinian decent but have never leaved in Israel or Palestine) to live in Palestine

    • This does not mean going back to Israel. After the 1948 war Israel absorbed most of the Jews that lived in Arab countries and were forced out.

    Palestine will allow a limited Israeli military  precence on the Jordan river to assure Israel that weapons and terrists are not being brought into Palestine.

    • Jordan could be come part of this force or many other countries.
    • The precense will end in an agreed upon number of years (lets say 10 years

    Israel will close many settlements.

    • Religious Jews that want to stay in certain parts of Palestine will be allowed to by the Palestinians and  will be given citizenship in Palestine just as Arabs in Israel have Citizenship

    Israel will commit to a “Marshal Plan” to turn Palestine into an extremely successful country.

    • This will included building out infrastructure such as roads, utilities etc.
    • Founding a major education program for children and adults
    • Setting up  Israeli owned business in Palestine
    • Employ Palestinian workers in Israel

    I don’t have a good solution for Jerusalem.  I think some great minds have to work on this.